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Ich habe nochmal recherchiert und überlegt, welches Federbein ich mir für die XV1900 Yamaha Raider hole.
Bei den YSS weiß ich nicht, wie aufwändig der Aufbau und die Technik ist. Mit den YSS der Honda bin ich absolut happy.
Wilbers kann mir zu viel und ist mir auch zu teuer. Keine Ahnung wo ich das Piggyback unterbringen würde.
Dann bin ich auf EMC in Frankreich gestoßen, die wohl auf einem hohen Niveau sind und dicht an Öhlins dran sein sollen.
Preis um die 550,- plus 50,- Versand, Dämpfung & Rebound einstellbar. EMC war mein Favorit, wenngleich mein gesetztes Budget bei ca 500 liegt.
Dann bin ich vor ein paar Wochen auf M Shocks gestoßen, wo der Firmenchef wohl ein ehemaliger Mitarbeiter von EMC ist.
Die Herstellung erfolgt in Frankreich, die Teile dafür werden in UK erzeugt.
https://shock-factory.fr/en/ht…m-shock-absorber-for-bike
Mein Federbein kostet inkl. Versand 435,-, was echt eine Ansage ist, wenn man bedenkt, dass das FB auf meine Bedürfnisse (Solo, sozius, Gewicht) gebaut wird.
So wahnsinnig viel findet man dazu im www nicht, man muss schon eine Weile suchen. Das hier hat am Ende den Ausschlag gegeben:
(credit: ducatiparts.110mb https://www.ukgser.com/forums/…hp/486300-new-shock/page2)
The Shock Factory stuff uses two concentric tubes with a bladder between them that takes up the variation in volume as the piston rod moves in and out, so no need to charge with nitrogen. Because the shock doesn't run at high pressure the seals get an easier time and there's less stiction than you get with a nitrogen charged shock.
The single adjustable varies compression & rebound damping in a fixed 3:1 ratio, but the double adjustable has completely independent adjusters. On the home page of my website there is a link to a video taken at the factory showing a shock under test. You can see as each adjuster is moved only the compression or rebound line moves, the other is completely static confirming the independence of each adjuster.
We have a hydraulic preload adjuster in the prototype stage, but it won't be ready till into the new year and we still can't commit to when. However when its released it will be retrofittable, so you could go for the shock now and put the preload adjuster on when its released. Having said that there is plenty of room around it to swing a C spanner.
Cheers, Mark
Da ist der ähnliche "low pressure" 2-Rohr-Aufbau wie bei EMC. Ich habe keinen Bock auf billige Emulsionsdämpfer, und der Nachteil der Gasdruck-Dämpfer ist, dass die Dichtungen strammer sein müssen, was für das Losbrechmoment nachteilig sein kann.
Sie haben auch Federbeine die zwei Einstellschrauben, für Rebound und Dämpfung. Bei der einfacheren Variante gibt es ein bestimmtes Verhältnis von Rebound und Dämpfung, was anscheinend gut funktioniert.
Hinsichtlich mannigfaltiger Einstellmöglichkeiten wie beim Wilbers, den teureren EMC oder M Shock oder Öhlins sehe ich es genau so wie hier. Man muss das können, das auch gewinnbringend einzustellen. Da ist schnell was vermurkst. Für mich reicht ein gutes Basis-Setup, eine gute Qualität und die Möglichkeit, in ein paar Jahren das FB überholen zu lassen.
(credit: https://www.scramblerforum.com…k-windingroad-co-uk.6497/)
Hi Steven,
Thanks for your email. The Shock Factory M-Shock Absorber is the same length as the original factory shock so will not raise the seat height of your bike. The best way to raise the seat height of your bike is to change the seat padding, this will raise the height of the seat but also gives you increased knee room by increasing the seat to foot rest height. Changing the shock length to raise the seat height also affects the steering geometry and weight distribution of the bike, so is only advisable if you also want to change the bikes riding / steering attributes.
All of the aftermarket shocks currently available will be an improvement over the standard Ducati shock as it is a really cheap and poor piece of equipment. However, they do all differ in how they perform. Ohlins are a great shock manufacturer with and enviable reputation for quality, but they are very expensive, and it’s fair to say that most riders do not get the best out of them, and buy them on name alone. In very general terms, you find that almost all of them are sprung very similarly, this is because the bike is a certain weight and so is the rider and a spring needs to support the weight of both and then not collapse too easily when you hit a bump.
Where the biggest differences come is in the quality of their construction, and the quality / set up of the damping. Some have fully adjustable three way damping, ie high speed compression, compression and rebound (where high speed damping is when the shock absorber is moved at high speed ie hitting a pot hole, rather than the bike travelling at speed). This is multi adjustability is desirable and maybe even necessary on high speed performance bikes which are operating over a wide range of conditions. But, their effectiveness does depend on the rider being able to set the bike for varying conditions, and frankly the majority of riders aren’t capable of getting the best out of a suspension set up like this without professional help. So, for a bike like the Scrambler, a shock such as this is overkill and very expensive for what is an affordable, fun, leisure orientated bike.
Other shocks such as the Shock Factory M-Shock that we sell, the Nitron, cheaper Ohlins models, and a few others have a single, combined compression and rebound adjuster, which adjust both at the same time in a pre-set ratio. This does work very well, and is ideal for most applications / bikes where the rider wants a quality shock absorber that they can adjust themselves simply and effectively, and then feel the difference it makes. There are also some cheaper shocks available that are simple replacements offering no damping adjustments at all.
My own experience with the Shock Factory items we sell, is that we get a very good, high quality shock for a very reasonable price as they have a great deal of experience, use quality UK sourced components, and are a small company with low overheads. In performance terms, we find a lot of aftermarket shocks set quite firmly as this tends to be what sport bike riders (the biggest customers for aftermarket shocks) want / need for their bikes. The Shock Factory items by comparison appear to have a much wider range of damping adjustment available allowing a road rider to adjust the damping down for greater comfort and a smoother ride, whilst firming it up when the pace picks up or the road surface is pretty poor and a greater degree o damping is needed. It really is a very good shock at a very reasonable price.
Regards,
Martin
Winding Roads Ltd
Web: http://www.windingroads.co.uk
Tel: 01332 865006
Die Yamaha Raider ist zwar "nur" eine Chopper, trotzdem will ich, dass sie satt liegt, Komfort bietet, und eine gute Bodenhaftung ist auch immer ein Sicherheitsgewinn.
Am Dienstag Abend bestellt, gestern bekommen, von der Verarbeitung bin ich auf den ersten Blick zumindest begeistert Und ich freue mich wie ein kleines Kind zu Weihnachten!!
Mal sehen obs auch wirklich passt, und wie gut es sich wirklich fährt, nach einer Einfahrzeit.
Ich muss mit ihr nächste Woche zum TÜV und werde das FB danach verbauen.
Mal sehen ob ich eine Eintragung irgendwann angehe...